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[Play Time] Bullet Ballot Mafia
The final hours of the last day just made me even more sure it was Gourd. :/ It wasn't until I went to sleep that I starting thinking 'what if gourd is townie and that was all a really elaborate play?' So yeah... This was a big mistake on all our parts.
That's an interesting point about the mod-kills. Now I am very curious what their alignments were. Hopefully Libby will be willing to divulge that information for us. I just figured the lack of saying anything meant that they were town, but that's a baseless assumption.
Looking at who is left, I really don't know where to go from here. RABBIT still feels like a wrong choice; piano targeting RABBIT and bringing it so close to piano and RABBIT hanging on the same night feels way too risky a play for them to both be mafia.
I still want to believe that Joroen is townie, but the thought did cross my mind that they might be shadow puppetting this whole thing.
Kloe........ I don't even know what to think about her anymore. YM could go either way at this point. idk And I can already hear Kloe reiterating her words from yesterday about me.
Any clear thoughts at the moment, Joroen? My mind is a muddled mess.
That's an interesting point about the mod-kills. Now I am very curious what their alignments were. Hopefully Libby will be willing to divulge that information for us. I just figured the lack of saying anything meant that they were town, but that's a baseless assumption.
Looking at who is left, I really don't know where to go from here. RABBIT still feels like a wrong choice; piano targeting RABBIT and bringing it so close to piano and RABBIT hanging on the same night feels way too risky a play for them to both be mafia.
I still want to believe that Joroen is townie, but the thought did cross my mind that they might be shadow puppetting this whole thing.
Kloe........ I don't even know what to think about her anymore. YM could go either way at this point. idk And I can already hear Kloe reiterating her words from yesterday about me.
Any clear thoughts at the moment, Joroen? My mind is a muddled mess.
[Play Time] Bullet Ballot Mafia
Interestingly enough, Crystal is the first Mafia kill that wouldn't count as 'experienced' from this forum's PoV compared to their other kills. I actually suspected it would be Joroen to be killed by Mafia last night. As far as I know, Joroen is experienced and also doesn't have much suspicion currently on them compared to the rest of us.
This could be for one of three reasons - piano was the one who was encouraging picking off the experienced players and whoever is left isn't following that trend/doesn't know who counts as experienced and who doesn't.
All remaining mafia accounts for all remaining experienced players.
Or Crystal was becoming a threat.
I'm going to read over Crystal's posts from yesterday after I sleep and see if anything can be gleaned from them.
Ah there could be a reason four - That Crystal was one of the few remaining people who has never been accused for anything. Keeping people who have been accused around (YM, RABBIT, and myself especially) makes the most sense. I can't recall Joroen being called out for much either, not in comparison, though.
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This is the best I can figure the votes went:
Ballot Counts
Gourd: 4 ballots (Makio, Joroen, YM, Crystal)
MakioKuta: 1 ballots (Kloe, Gourd)
Yellow Magic: 1 ballots (oddRABBIT)
Kloe: 1 ballots (Maki)
Obviously most of that is speculation.
On that note, I'll be going to bed here pretty soon.
This could be for one of three reasons - piano was the one who was encouraging picking off the experienced players and whoever is left isn't following that trend/doesn't know who counts as experienced and who doesn't.
All remaining mafia accounts for all remaining experienced players.
Or Crystal was becoming a threat.
I'm going to read over Crystal's posts from yesterday after I sleep and see if anything can be gleaned from them.
Ah there could be a reason four - That Crystal was one of the few remaining people who has never been accused for anything. Keeping people who have been accused around (YM, RABBIT, and myself especially) makes the most sense. I can't recall Joroen being called out for much either, not in comparison, though.
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This is the best I can figure the votes went:
Ballot Counts
Gourd: 4 ballots (Makio, Joroen, YM, Crystal)
MakioKuta: 1 ballots (
Yellow Magic: 1 ballots (oddRABBIT)
Kloe: 1 ballots (Maki)
Obviously most of that is speculation.
On that note, I'll be going to bed here pretty soon.
[Play Time] Bullet Ballot Mafia
Well, I'm sorry Gourd. I was 99.9% sure of myself when I voted you as Mafia.
I understand that I have been set up to take the fall for this. By Kloe. Who decided to turn this into a Gourd VS Maki vote affair at the last minute during the previous day phase. (an action I find suspicious)
I will be upfront and honest about my moves from yesterday:
I gave the null-vote to Joroen.
I had the double-vote from Crystal and used it to vote for Gourd and Kloe.
There's five of us left. Today is important. If there are two more mafia members, we lose tonight if we hang a townie. If there's one mafia left, then we have some leeway, but not much. We need to be smart today.
Theory wise, I don't have much. Either Kloe and piano were working together, forced the tirade to make her look innocent, and then pulled the 'Maki VS Gourd' tactic to try to force me to take the fall for Gourd's innocence OR;
Someone is pulling our strings very carefully.
I understand that I have been set up to take the fall for this. By Kloe. Who decided to turn this into a Gourd VS Maki vote affair at the last minute during the previous day phase. (an action I find suspicious)
I will be upfront and honest about my moves from yesterday:
I gave the null-vote to Joroen.
I had the double-vote from Crystal and used it to vote for Gourd and Kloe.
There's five of us left. Today is important. If there are two more mafia members, we lose tonight if we hang a townie. If there's one mafia left, then we have some leeway, but not much. We need to be smart today.
Theory wise, I don't have much. Either Kloe and piano were working together, forced the tirade to make her look innocent, and then pulled the 'Maki VS Gourd' tactic to try to force me to take the fall for Gourd's innocence OR;
Someone is pulling our strings very carefully.
The Demo is Complete! :D
[Play Time] Bullet Ballot Mafia
Yes, those were both Gourd. Isrieri also commented that piano was playing a good game, but well--
It's the defense of piano's tirade, and now today not being able to pinpoint why he fell for piano's act that strike me as oddest.
He claims the defense was based on how piano acted in previous games, knowledge you and I don't have. We can't quite compare how this Cave person to Kloe, but personally I think letting Kloe get under your skin is a waste of time, especially if you know she's wrong. So past experiences or not, that tirade should have been suspect.
Especially to Gourd who said he thought we'd make mistakes by ignoring things as 'too obvious' in relation to Yellow Magic lying. Yet, ignoring piano's outbursts because it's 'similar to how he acts' seems to belie that exact logic. Previous experiences or not.
Anyway, I've got to head to work (yes, on a weekend, Kloe. being an adult sucks.)I'm not voting until I get home. To give Gourd a chance to give a solid defense.
Good luck, all.
It's the defense of piano's tirade, and now today not being able to pinpoint why he fell for piano's act that strike me as oddest.
He claims the defense was based on how piano acted in previous games, knowledge you and I don't have. We can't quite compare how this Cave person to Kloe, but personally I think letting Kloe get under your skin is a waste of time, especially if you know she's wrong. So past experiences or not, that tirade should have been suspect.
Especially to Gourd who said he thought we'd make mistakes by ignoring things as 'too obvious' in relation to Yellow Magic lying. Yet, ignoring piano's outbursts because it's 'similar to how he acts' seems to belie that exact logic. Previous experiences or not.
Anyway, I've got to head to work (yes, on a weekend, Kloe. being an adult sucks.)I'm not voting until I get home. To give Gourd a chance to give a solid defense.
Good luck, all.
[Play Time] Bullet Ballot Mafia
author=Crystal-Mint
@MakioKuta I was kinda joking haha :')
(Added this comment right before you posted yours)author=Crystal-Mint
Honestly I think you're just distracting us, since this is EXACTLY what you did in the previous game and you ended up being town lol
Let's just ignore Kloe's ranting and go back to the other suspects that have real evidence against them 8)
Oh. Alrighty. What did you think of the post of stuff about Gourd and piano interactions? Gourd I think is my personal top suspect still.
[Play Time] Bullet Ballot Mafia
author=Crystal-Mint
I'm beginning to think that maybe we should vote for you just to prevent you from further sabotaging our efforts to lynch the right person xD
(After all, we did lynch you for the same reason in werewolf lol)
I almost want to agree, but at the same time, I'm afraid there's probably not enough townies left for us to be tossing away people for reasons like that. And this does stink a lot similar to how she acted in the werewolf game when people apply pressure to her.
And she was BEGGING to have pressure applied to her. Almost like she was just wanting to break out this rampantly sabotage-esq persona. A persona that was innocent in the end.
[Play Time] Bullet Ballot Mafia
You realize that this same weird logic can in part be pointed back at you right?
Voting for yourself on the first day - why not vote for piano if you suspected him so much? Didn't want to vote for fellow scum perhaps? But you didn't want to vote WITH him on Ratty to keep your distance.
Working with piano to fake the tirade, then voting against piano, and siding with oddRABBIT against piano, to sacrifice piano and further distance yourself.
Someone working with piano and tactfully acting against him? There's more evidence of you doing that than me.
Voting for yourself on the first day - why not vote for piano if you suspected him so much? Didn't want to vote for fellow scum perhaps? But you didn't want to vote WITH him on Ratty to keep your distance.
Working with piano to fake the tirade, then voting against piano, and siding with oddRABBIT against piano, to sacrifice piano and further distance yourself.
Someone working with piano and tactfully acting against him? There's more evidence of you doing that than me.
[Play Time] Bullet Ballot Mafia
Ah, right. The Kloe and Honest Oxymoron comment. That was because you were a liar in the werewolf game we played. lol
How exactly does that provide evidence to any of the claims you're making right now?
How exactly does that provide evidence to any of the claims you're making right now?
[Play Time] Bullet Ballot Mafia
author=Kloe
Yes, but you need to think, who's to say Piano was working well with Piano, the Mafia isn't always friendly with itself. What if Maki thought Piano was a lost cause, and that he'd die anyway, so voted him to lower the suspicions. Piano couldn't of fought back or they'd both be discovered so he HAD to go along. Does that theory work for you!?
That doesn't back up me voting for him the first day at all. Very few people were suspicious of piano on the first day, or at least if they were very few people SAID they were. So why would I be voting for him on day one to keep suspicion off myself? No one could have predicted the self destruction piano went through on day 2.
author=Kloe
I have my reason, I had like 10 examples to back my argument up but I need a bit to find them, I'll show you guys later.
But tl:dr version is she always leads us in an opinion, she always knows exactly who she'll go for, she has a counter for everything and *insert suspicious examples of Maki and Piano's interactions here* and most of the same things that made me suspect Piano but Maki doesn't tirade, so it's way way harder to prove.
Goddamn your amazing mafia skills Maki!! Argh...
(thats not very tl:dr though)
Do you have examples of me leading people's opinions? I have only ever presented facts, contradictions, and stated who I was suspicious of. I'm not really all that interested in leading other people. The only time I count myself as really specifically leading any charge is against Gourd, and even that is more presenting facts. Plus, with it being where we are in the game, I think it's important to try to be a bit more aggressive. I don't want another gambit like piano where I pray that people are suspicious enough of him to vote along with me and that my tactic with the null vote would work.
Plus -insert examples here- is a pretty weak argument. I'm actually rather curious what interactions with piano I have had that make you suspicious of me?
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