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a 2.5d explorer/horror game about NEURAL-9, a memory disease that spreads via eye contact
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[Game Over] Cheesecake Mafia
@ratty p sure LockeZ's biggest contribution yesterday was a huge post calling you out as scum. Now that LockeZ is dead I value his opinion even more.
They'd kill the seer, I mean, not Frogge. It's not an issue and I'd love for mafia to lose their powers, but keep in mind it's still only like 1/4 that mafia would be threatened and be force to use their power.
Yeah provided that when a town dies there's a chance that scum gets hit. That's how a vigilante works. That Frogge is neutral changes the calculus but so far he's done fine. There are better uses for our daykill, keeping Frogge alive possibly forces mafia to use a nightkill, and there's still a chance that Frogge kills off scum, in which case I can die laughing.
author=Liberty
They can only use the slow/block once and not at the same time. It removes their tools from play and if they kill him for us, one less threat we have to bother with. Again, how is this an issue?
They'd kill the seer, I mean, not Frogge. It's not an issue and I'd love for mafia to lose their powers, but keep in mind it's still only like 1/4 that mafia would be threatened and be force to use their power.
author=InfectionFiles
Psy would rather see townies die then kill off a neutral that can kill people.
Yeah provided that when a town dies there's a chance that scum gets hit. That's how a vigilante works. That Frogge is neutral changes the calculus but so far he's done fine. There are better uses for our daykill, keeping Frogge alive possibly forces mafia to use a nightkill, and there's still a chance that Frogge kills off scum, in which case I can die laughing.
[Game Over] Cheesecake Mafia
author=Liberty
I already floated yesterday the idea of three people named to be killed and he pick from them. They can only use the block power once in the whole game, so getting it out of the way would be great.
They have one slow and one block. The slow is as good as a block if they kill him afterwards. I also don't see how this plan is better than explicitly choosing his target. scum-Frogge will kill a town in the list, neutral-Frogge will be blocked if a scum is in the list.
Also I'm not sure how valuable those slow and block powers are, really. They're only really relevant on the seer and the chef, and there's no reason to slow the seer when you can just kill them.
[Game Over] Cheesecake Mafia
odd, my bet is that it's someone trying to frame piano as the butterspreader, so they tried to send you something only he would know (for meta reasons or not). How convinced are you? I'm not ruling out the chance piano explicitly sent you incriminating info as some kind of test to you though: ie, he's challenging you to convince us that he's guilty as some kind of empowering exercise or w/e. In this case I would think he'd explicitly stated it though.
[Game Over] Cheesecake Mafia
author=Liberty
He would have been blocked... fail attempts get a description. How could this possibly have been a -bad- idea for confirming his role again?
Because there's no guarantee blockings are public. Because scum can "bluff" block to make us think piano is guilty anyway. Because rogue Frogge can just opt to not do anything and say "whoops I must've got blocked!"
The only times we would ever get concrete information are the cases where it's harmful for town (and mafia lets a town or a helpful neutral die)
[Game Over] Cheesecake Mafia
cave, if Frogge had tried to poison Piano, scum would've blocked him if they felt like it benefitted them to have Piano dead, and let it through if they preferred him alive. While it would've been a pro-town action it would also give mafia control that I'd prefer they not have. I was kind of hoping that a randomly-acting Frogge would be hazardous enough to mafia to draw a nightkill, similar to a vigilante. I'm not sure that's achievable but if not let's hope scum will take a casualty for it. Poisoning piano is seeming less like a bad option if failed poisonings are public but it's not failsafe unless blocking is too. I don't think it's bad per se because it could never hurt town that much, but it'll never help us either.
odd, that's very interesting. What would lead you to believe it's from piano? I know you can't copy/paste, but you can summarize.
I'm feeling a lot less threatened by the claimed neutrals if they can only be privately contacted during the night.
odd, that's very interesting. What would lead you to believe it's from piano? I know you can't copy/paste, but you can summarize.
I'm feeling a lot less threatened by the claimed neutrals if they can only be privately contacted during the night.
[Game Over] Cheesecake Mafia
Oh come on, lay off Frogge. Half of us were telling him explicitly not to mention who he was going to target. He did a good job and we got some good info out of it. If he /had/ floated Gourd as a target and Gourd was scum, Frogge would've been blocked.
There's basically three possible situations here:
1) Frogge is taking orders from scum via butterspreader (I think this is a bit unlikely because they have to trust Frogge not to randomly spill the beans). In this case, we've learned that Gourd is innocent! Great! Scum is leaking information the longer they use Frogge and I think he's worth keeping.
2) Frogge is who he says he is and doing what he should be. Great! Scum should be scared he'll randomly hit them because I definitely wasn't expecting a Gourd poisoning.
3) Frogge is scum and the poisoner went after Gourd randomly, like Liberty suggests. I think this is super unlikely. scum-Frogge has no idea who the poisoner is and has to rely on /them/ not randomly spilling the beans... not a good bet when Ratty, Tangled, Cap, etc are all in play and known for random stuff like that. Huge risk. I also think they would've gone after Frogge for irony factor.
In all cases but 3 (the least likely) it benefits us to have Frogge around. Don't lynch him just because he didn't follow the poorly thought out plan that was proposed earlier. He did the (correct) thing that was asked of him. Also because I have confidence in Frogge's claim I have no interest in "proving" him because that can only be done by sacrificing a town.
Not sure yet why scum didn't block him, it's definitely what I was expecting to happen.
There's basically three possible situations here:
1) Frogge is taking orders from scum via butterspreader (I think this is a bit unlikely because they have to trust Frogge not to randomly spill the beans). In this case, we've learned that Gourd is innocent! Great! Scum is leaking information the longer they use Frogge and I think he's worth keeping.
2) Frogge is who he says he is and doing what he should be. Great! Scum should be scared he'll randomly hit them because I definitely wasn't expecting a Gourd poisoning.
3) Frogge is scum and the poisoner went after Gourd randomly, like Liberty suggests. I think this is super unlikely. scum-Frogge has no idea who the poisoner is and has to rely on /them/ not randomly spilling the beans... not a good bet when Ratty, Tangled, Cap, etc are all in play and known for random stuff like that. Huge risk. I also think they would've gone after Frogge for irony factor.
In all cases but 3 (the least likely) it benefits us to have Frogge around. Don't lynch him just because he didn't follow the poorly thought out plan that was proposed earlier. He did the (correct) thing that was asked of him. Also because I have confidence in Frogge's claim I have no interest in "proving" him because that can only be done by sacrificing a town.
Not sure yet why scum didn't block him, it's definitely what I was expecting to happen.
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[Game Over] Cheesecake Mafia
Thanks for the notes Blob. I kind of understand the hammer now though. Frogge, if Blob does flip town you can trust his stuff. IF and Ratty I buy. Hadn't considered Marrend. If scum wanted Frogge alive, Marrend's vote would seem to works towards that (get more momentum on a non-Frogge wagon, questionable reasoning) but I've never seen him play
@seer please remember Liberty and piano are complete wastes of time
@watermelonannouncer, if you're not liberty, please say so, I would hope that's obvious
@seer please remember Liberty and piano are complete wastes of time
@watermelonannouncer, if you're not liberty, please say so, I would hope that's obvious
[Game Over] Cheesecake Mafia
[Game Over] Cheesecake Mafia
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#vote Blobofgoo
Thanks Frogge. You sound confused and noncommittal on who you'll actually target. For scum that should be sufficiently terrifying. Don't poison Liberty, she's easy to verify. Unfortunately I don't know of any good way to avoid poisoning the seer. If you poison Cave I'm probably going to assume that it's because you got a PM from scum telling you to do so, sorry. (I assume they haven't contacted you?) Be unpredictable and you'll be fine. I don't think how blob flips should really have any influence on your target (scum might want town-blob dead, they might want frogge dead, maybe both, no way to tell).
Ratty and IF are higher on the scumscale to me than Blob, but he's still on it, so... Even if I don't have full confidence in the lynch, the votes will tell us a lot more against a town/scum than they will against a neutral. And after 50 pages a nolynch would be ughhh
@YM Ratty always throws his vote around day 1, don't read too much into it. I'd be more worried if he actually stuck to an opinion.
#vote Blobofgoo
Thanks Frogge. You sound confused and noncommittal on who you'll actually target. For scum that should be sufficiently terrifying. Don't poison Liberty, she's easy to verify. Unfortunately I don't know of any good way to avoid poisoning the seer. If you poison Cave I'm probably going to assume that it's because you got a PM from scum telling you to do so, sorry. (I assume they haven't contacted you?) Be unpredictable and you'll be fine. I don't think how blob flips should really have any influence on your target (scum might want town-blob dead, they might want frogge dead, maybe both, no way to tell).
Ratty and IF are higher on the scumscale to me than Blob, but he's still on it, so... Even if I don't have full confidence in the lynch, the votes will tell us a lot more against a town/scum than they will against a neutral. And after 50 pages a nolynch would be ughhh
@YM Ratty always throws his vote around day 1, don't read too much into it. I'd be more worried if he actually stuck to an opinion.
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