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@Sooz/Frogge Yes, I realize that our win condition is "put all scum in the tea prison." Frogge being around is actively working against that. He can betray us in the endgame. Calling his shots means he'll never hit scum. If this game lasts four days, by lynching Frogge now we're effectively saving two town from getting poisoned. Especially when one of the town is CAVE (well, maybe, w/e) this is good lynch.

@Blob Because by immediately confirming themselves, they're proven innocent. This means that mafia will almost immediately nightkill them, because the less 100% innocent people around, the greater the chance that town kills one of their own.

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@Ratty yeah alright you're now my top candidate for actual scum. Why would Liberty claim that specific role if she was scum? It'd be idiotic. After playing on the same scumteam as you I think you're very likely to play it "straight" (ie attacking town, defending scum) to a fault. That "not buying it" line is golden though.

author=Liberty
Are you mafia? -_-
IF I were not the watermeloner and they were to say IT'S NOT LIBERTY, they should not say their name at all. If they reveal their name they open themselves up for targetting. Seriously. In this case they should only reveal themselves if they're being lynch-voted so as to keep town focussed on mafia, especially because it's super easy for them to prove their role.

If Blob is mafia, he would have no reason to doubt your claim or think that the situation he just mentioned would ever happen.

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Congrats Frogge. You're a detriment to town. Mafia now knows exactly who you're targeting so they can just block you if it's inconvenient. If it's convenient for them, 50% CAVE dies.

#lynch Frogge

I don't think you're scum but uhhh you're at minimum not town and your refusal to just kill someone randomly means you're basically actively sabotaging us at this point. Lynching you now will at least prevent Cave's death. I was going to say I'd advocate not lynching you if you could guarantee to us you'd be unpredictable in your nightkills but it seems that's impossible.

Sooz: He poses no threat to mafia at all if he calls his kills beforhand. The mafia has the power to roleblock via the spice salesman. If CAVE is scum, they will do just that: block him. Same goes for the next day. If mafia approves of his target, they let it slide. If they don't, they block. With his current strategy he will only ever kill town.

About McBacon Jam 3

Oh good I missed the last one of these because I had no idea when it started.

Is this the official event kickoff? Is this where I start marketing myself?

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@Cave I don't think LockeZ's insistence on voting off unhelpful presumably town on day 1 is scummy. It's practically his mafia kayfabe at this point. While I have no reason to think LockeZ is innocent this is basically identical to how he played last game.

@piano Do you doubt Liberty's claim? If she's not the announcer as she says, the real announcer will out her tomorrow with ease. All she did was buy herself a day really. I still don't see much reason to doubt Frogge either.

@IF I'm still interested what changed your opinion about Frogge's second lynch vote. The rest of your stuff is believable, at least.

@Sooz: somehow, somehow that's not a scumtell

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@piano IF was good last game, I find his bad play weird, not his good play. I thought his play to start this one out was noticeably worse, especially about Cap. I still have no idea what his Ratty callout was about.

@IF I must've missed where you asked me for a response on anything. Is your suspicion of me just that I've been inconsistent or whatever compared to last game? It's a lot harder to be surgical when you're not omniscient and I don't really understand the expectation that I'd be a "good" town considering the pandemic game. I'm also not afraid to pick up a bit of heat by pursuing my leads. If you're concerned about someplace where my logic doesn't make sense, then explicitly point it out. You can't say I'm "just saying stuff" without that.

Oh -- what's you're opinion on Frogge's poisonings though. Oh, what caused your opinion on using Frogge as a second lynch vote change? You seem pretty in favor of it but yesterday you were more cautious. For the record I still think it's a pointless idea because of mafia's ability to block him.

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In the pandemic game, scum-piano put me on the defensive arguing with him for three straight days. Meanwhile I scumhunted the doctor and tried to set up a fork play on the SK and the vigilante.

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clarification: I don't think we should scumhunt piano

Also, Frogge, don't poison Piano, that's just inviting mafia to choose the outcome. Poison whoever the hell you want. Draw names out of a hat (don't). Whatever. You have to do it in a way that you'll be threatening to mafia. I see no reason to doubt your claim and I don't care about "verifying" you so just be as threatening as you can to scum. If they send you a threatening PM, out them. If there's one thing you can do well, it's unpredictable, so just make it as unsafe as possible for scum to rely on you.

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re: Blob, I found his earlygame behavior strange when he suggested that an exposed breadcrumb meant we could trust seer 100% but that could've easily been a slipup by town. I would've found his vote against me a /lot/ more suspicious if Liberty was scum because he would've been attacking me purely for attacking her, but looks like that's not the case. If he is scum though, I think his attack on me would've served a purpose and I don't discount just paranoia. I still find IF more suspicious.

I'm still really leery of IF. He's changed his play almost completely from when I first called him out though but that could be either town or scum. What I didn't mention before was some word choice stuff (I wanted Ratty's response, he gave it). Calling Ratty's strategy retarded, "lmao" to defend against my accusation, and that earlygame "you gun get lynched" at Cap without trying to stop what was happening. Something I noticed playing last game was that I was a lot more inclined to trash fellow scum (calling Kloe terrible town, Ratty's behavior idiotic, etc) and just in general be more abrasive because I knew I'd never need to lobby those people for their cooperation. IF played diplomatically in that game and he's playing more like that now but it still struck me as very very strange. A Ratty/IF team would not surprise me .

Although I also find Ratty's gameplan pretty bad though. "Scum would never intentionally act so suspicious like this~" is not at all convincing. It reads like you're giving yourself cover because you'll be behaving differently. And you'd only really need to radically change your behavior if you rolled scum again. I'm also surprised he didn't react a little more strongly to having it called "retarded." Backing up the (suspicious) Blob and going after the (now mostly vindicated) Liberty doesn't help.

@piano I focused on you because you're making a play, whether you perceive it as that or not, and I'm a bit sensitive about it because of what happened in the pandemic game. I'm still not 100% just because it makes me worried when a strong player claims to not be working towards their win condition. I double-checked the rules about butter spreader immediately after I posted that "why do you think they show up beforehand" message and realized they were a day action. The second post about the timing was a trap to see if you'd try to mislead me about it, but you called me out instead.

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I just reread and was about to type a big post yelling at liberty and asking her to explain that thing about her strong language plan but it looks like that's no longer necessary. Liberty I guess you must be doing it unintentionally if you're town but please don't misread me: I quoted those posts because you accused me of making up the fact they you suggested Frogge as a lynch. I'm not trying to frame you, you were just attacking me without addressing the actual reason I brought those up.

Anyone who's got your vote on liberty: cancel. Watermelon announcer is the easiest role in the world to verify at zero risk. Liberty can prove her innocence tomorrow and we'll be done with this.

I'm rethinking who we should /actually/ lynch, one sec.